Herman Cain: Americans Have The Right To Ban Mosques In Their Communities

Herman Cain is the worst kind of American.

No, wait...

Isn't that title held by Michele Bachmann already?

Damn. Too bad for him.

At least, he's the worst kind of representative of the Black experience in America. Ignorant.

Many thousands of people suffered and died to ensure he could be the CEO of a crappy pizza chain and then get an inflated sense of self-worth, leading to a Presidential run. His ancestors would be so proud...

Except for the fact that now he wants to become not only President but "The Man," as well.

He would work to keep his own people down.

And by "his people," I mean Americans.

Christianity combines church and state, and don't let anyone tell you differently Mr. Cain because they would be lying. These christian church use our first amendment to infuse their morals on our community, and the many people in these communities do not like it, I for one disagree with it and am completely discussed by it.

Does this also mean we have the right to ban christian churches in our communities?

Kool!

Well another GOP would be Presidential candidate just shot himself; this time by showing his ignorance of what separation of Church and State means.

It is getting to be a regular occurance, n'est-ce pas?

What a maroon, what a mullet! *Bugs Bunny

What is it with GOPers, they thump the Bible and wave the Constitution around but are too f***ing stupid to read either one.

I will be so glad when this moron's 15 minutes is up.

Same old Republican attack on Obama, you know the Muslim anti-christ.

Do teabags realize that if you can ban muslims from gathering, you can also ban teabag scum from the same priviledge? Hey wait a minute............

They're using the church part of our First Amendment to infuse their morals in that community, and the people of that community do not like it. They disagree with it.

Oh, they're doing what all the places of worship regularly do at every gathering/service in this country, and this particular community doesn't approve- but what is it that they don't really approve?

Cultural differences- and to the ignorant and closed-minded, fear takes over and rationality is discarded.

Well, we got these weird snake-handlers up the road, Christian snake-handlers. Mr. Cain, will you help us ban this freaky congregation? How do we know these poisonous snakes won't get loose and bite my babies in the middle of the night?

Thank you, Mr. Cain- for opening our minds. Now we can ban any congregation we fear or just don't agree with.

Islam is both a religion and a set of laws

And other faiths aren't? What about all that "Thou shalt not" stuff? Religion, any religion, by its very nature is a set of rules and laws based around spiritual faith.

So confusing......

I thought the rightwing was okay with using religion to further an oppressive and extremist agenda.

"My bigotry is sanctified, your bigotry is sacrilegious..."

"My bigotry is sanctified, your bigotry is sacrilegious..."

His bigotry is nothing more than obvious.

BTW, by his reasoning, we could ban Catholic churches for their priests threatening to withhold communion rites from Catholic politicians who do not vote the way they want on the abortion issue.

Well...Ok herman, lets get the plywood and nails out for all the religions, i can live with that one.

What an awful bigot this man is -- of course, he fits right in with many of the other GOP candidates.

Boy, I sure am glad we have a Constitution to protect us from people like Herman Cain.

Let's just ban ALL churches and get it over with!

We get it Herman, you're afraid of Muslims. Now go play with Palin in the corner, your 15 minutes are up.

Colin was a real black man when he was wiping out Saddam, but he must have got hit in the head during the 1st Iraq War and lost his mind. Then became a RINO.

By your implication, you believe a black man can't be "real" without being a "real" republican ?

Lol! What ever you gotta tell yourself to get to sleep at night.

How dare a real black man attack the religion du jour of the Left ! Next thing you know he'll claim that abortion is not the Supreme Sacramental Eucharist of Liberals.

I'll be fine with this when we can ban churches and synagogues from our communities too. I mean, that's really what Cain is endorsing here, right? The freedom to ban any and all religions that try to insert themselves into our democracy?

MW, I think the old "one drop" rule should apply here. If Cain has even one drop of white blood, he isn't a "real" black man either.

I mean, that's really what Cain is endorsing here, right?

Nope, he is talking about just Mosques. I expect more from someone who was alive when blacks was considered less than human and had segregated fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, schools and was killed or arrested for looking at white women.

“We were not taught discrimination, but we lived in a segregated society.” Herman Cain

ALL white people and IDIOT black people,ALL PEOPLE PERIOD, should stop with the "real black man" thing.I never heard anyone talking about a REAL white man,or a REAL Mexican,or a REAL Chinese man.So please just stop,it's ignorance of the highest order.

chitownty, I totally agree.

Thanks,that whole thing just burns me up.

You're done Herman. It's over. I wanted to like you, Pizza Man, I really did. I gave you a chance. You said some sensible things, but you are officially out of your mind. There's no way I would vote for you now.

Glad you came off the ledge.

Let the hate-mongering Tea Party zealots take power and you'll see religious intolerance, bigotry and state-sponsored oppression which will make the Spanish Inquisition look like a walk in the park. These racists don't believe in small government when it comes to forcing their will on society and ramming their totalitarian views down our throats. Their government will be all-powerful and all-controlling.

That was then,this is NOW !

ALL white people and IDIOT black people,ALL PEOPLE PERIOD, should stop with the "real black man" thing.I never heard anyone talking about a REAL white man,or a REAL Mexican,or a REAL Chinese man.So please just stop,it's ignorance of the highest order.

I'm a real white man (as in really white). But we all are in Seattle. You can't maintain a good tan here.

chitownty

That was then,this is NOW !

The southern strategy created a reversal of roles.

YES it did.//douglasq,well that one way of defining it.Come to San Antonio,you'll either tan or melt.

I think it's all for show. He can't seriously be this moronic. He's going for the "big bad Muslim Sharia Law bogeymen" pea brained crowd, which are abundant in his party. That's about the only way he'll get any votes, and his 15 minutes of fame.

So according to Cain, gays can marry because Christians can't tell us how to live our lives?

"Let's go back to the fundamental issue," Cain said. "Islam is both a religion and a set of laws -- Sharia laws. That's the difference between any one of our traditional religions where it's just about religious purposes."

Thank, Herman Munster, for clearing that up. What a laugh. I suppose that's the reason why fundamentalist and evangelical Christians want to overturn Roe v. Wade — the law of the land — and have gone so far as to sanction murder, physical assault, firebombing, arson and vandalism in pressing their agenda on the issue of reproductive rights; are also engaged in an attempt to totally revamp school curricula so that it will conform with their creationist [now the more slippery, new and improved 'intelligent design'] world view and their concept of what constitutes 'acceptable' literature; are doing everything in their power to deprive those in the gay and lesbian community of their civil rights, and on and on and on . . .

Dear Newsvine Members: You know, of course, that there is no end to this — no truly effective means of appeasement, of placating and satiating the Beast — once the process gains traction and begins to snowball, don't you? It never ends.

Please read in the above as 'Thank you, Herman Munster' and 'totally revamp school curricula so that they will conform' — I got distracted by a family member during the spell check — and try not to get distracted in the fight to keep people like Herman Cain in check.

What part of the 1st Amendment do these Goose steppers not understand?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

How is this in any way unclear?

The GOP has become nothing short of The American Taliban, forcing their views on us all!

The Democrats have along history of that kind of thinking. That's why the insisted on keeping them as slaves, and resisting them even being Americans, and why they formed the KKK and why they tried very hard to keep "the worst kind of Americans" out of the schools,etc. Thank goodness Republians and conservatives won out that battle

I think you are a little confused. The conservatives are definitely NOT the ones that were against slavery! Which group of people (that lost) still re-enact the Civil War, carry Confederate flags around and try to re-frame the Civil War as a fight for "States Rights" (but conveniently leave out "...to own slaves")? Is it the democrats and the left?

Emanuel-0684

You seem to forget most of those racist southern democrats left the Democratic party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed.

Then you all joined the Republician Party, which is what we have today, next time you go to your local Klan rally, ask around and see how many are democrats...if you dare...

"A real black man" in comparison to whom? Colin Powell?

Not in the eyes of the GOP. He lost all respect from the party when he endorsed Obama. Of course, he apparently lost all respect for them sometime between when they used him to deliver their BS pitch for the Iraq invasion and when he handed over his job to that incompetent Condoleeza Rice.

I think it's all for show. He can't seriously be this moronic.

Isabella, I wouldn't put any real money on that bet...

douglasq,well that one way of defining it.Come to San Antonio,you'll either tan or melt.

While I really enjoyed San Antonio when I last visited, I barely survived summers in Dallas. No thanks. :-)

Thank goodness Republians and conservatives won out that battle.

I don't think you know what "conservative" means.

chitownty, douglasq- Houston has the reputation of being just a bit warm in the summer, B

i think it is funny that obamaisgodaweful choose to praise the gop from 100 years ago, and condemn dems from the same time as if he actually lived through that time and doesnt actually exist today when the majority of bigots live and breathe GOP

LOL, the Dem Party is inheritely bigoted...

We have to use the force of government to permanately help black/mexican/other minorities because they are incapable of helping themselves.

Isn't that the height of bigotry?

As for Cain, what an idiot.

I like how Herman has completely shredded the standard GOP script on The Constitution and The Bible--He clearly made the statement there Is separation of church and state, which of course the other dingbats would say is wrong, "The Constitution is based on The Ten Commandments", and he condemns the use of religion to "infuse their morals on the community". Which of course is 180 degrees opposite of what the Party has been trying to do for the last 30 years. Message creep anyone?

The real flim-flam that Herm misses out on (not to mention Beck, Lush and Faux) is how exactly are they going to "impose" Sharia Law on people who don't go to the mosque? Ooohhh, unless they are going to use subversive means to infiltrate mainstream society!! Brilliant! /s

Of course he'd have to have said it on Faux, since no one challenged him by suggesting that if you substituted Christian for Muslim, he'd be pretty close to what we have now.

FTA:

"I'm willing to take a harder look at people who might be terrorists, that's what I'm saying," Cain replied. "Look, I know that there's a peaceful group of Muslims in this country. God bless them and they're free to worship. If you look at my career I have never discriminated against anybody, because of their religion, sex or origin or anything like that."

So, you are saying that you know for a fact that the Mosque they want to build is being built by terrorists ?? Or is it not discrimination if you are offended by their beliefs ??

I just wonder, because Michelle Bachmann is saying we need a day of prayer as a means of bringing America back under God. Is that a form of terrorism to you ??

I may not agree with the Muslim faith, but I'm not afraid of them. The "good intentioned conservatives" take more freedoms from us than any Muslim can by building a Mosque. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is able to stand against any challenge from those who would challenge Him.

Why do politicians fear what God has said not to fear ??

I'm just curious how "Teddy Long" Cain would spin it if a community wanted to ban a protestant church. The obvious question that everyone else here is thinking.

You guys are obviously slamming a black man, so this makes you just as racist as the Republicans which you claim that are racists, sounds like a double standard to me!! LOLOLOL

sevens...:

#1.53

How are we slamming a black man ??? We are slamming a person who wishes to deny some their right to build a place of worship for themselves.

Desperate aren't ya ?? Has anyone called for a birth certificate from him to prove he is an American citizen ??

In terms of any threat from religious influences on our body of laws, I regard the greater danger by far as coming from the Christian Right. With Supreme Court Justices like John G. Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito, as well as conservative district and appellate judges at lower levels of the judiciary on watch, any Sharia-based law that managed to slip into the American legal system would have the life expectancy of a mayfly.

Justices like Antonin Scalia, however, need to be watched very, very carefully indeed in order to ensure that the pendulum does not swing too far in favor of decidedly Christianist or dominionist interpretations of law, as opposed to rulings that much more strictly adhere to the provisions of the Constitution of the United States. Scalia has indicated a clear preference for legal interpretations that contain carefully measured infusions of what he sees as more vibrant and energetic Christian precepts and guidelines, as opposed to an approach that relies solely on the provisions of the 'dead' Constitution parchment of colonial times. And there are any number of former and current United States Senators and Representatives who would be more than happy to jettison laws and safeguards that, though constitutionally mandated and eminently equitable and impartial, do not square with their more rigid fundamentalist or evangelical Christian perspective on civil liberties and private decision making in terms of family planning, reproductive rights, sexual preference, and the like.

We really need to keep our eye on the ball.

Cowboy grandpa, I am not the one who is desperate, you must obviously be with the birth certificate dribble, wipe your chin! I am not against worship at all, its our right as citizens, and I do support it, but!!, with all that is going on in the world, be careful in whom you support. If you want to know what religion has the largest information web network in the world is, take a guess? Can you figure it out, its the friggen Catholics which I happen to be! But they do not in current times have a record of any radical activities, but the Islamics have a faction that does. You nor I don't know what is going on behind the Islam closed doors, I am not comfortable with waiting to find out, are you?

You guys are obviously slamming a black man,

No, they are slamming a fool. You are the one playing the race card so guess what that makes you?

I am not comfortable with waiting to find out, are you?

There is no parallel between Islam and Christianity when mentioning the Vatican, i.e. no central authority.

Herman Cain is an idiot who either knows nothing about the Constitution or simply doesn't give a @!$%#.

If you want to know what religion has the largest information web network in the world is, take a guess? Can you figure it out, its the friggen Catholics which I happen to be! But they do not in current times have a record of any radical activities

Tell that to all the girls in the Irish "hospital" who were held against their will for DECADES because they were "bad girls".

Not radical at all right?

Man isn’t the hypocrisy getting thick. So, your all mad at Herman Cain because he said people have a right to choose what is in their neighborhood. (That is what he said fact check it.) So is it that you don’t understand democracy or you just hate that it works. Look you all got Obama because people made an ignorant decision it is the unfortunate result of Democracy sometimes it won’t go the way it should. Do I think they should be allowed to build a Mosque where ever they want well no, and there are laws that support this. Look into your local “blue laws” you find that in most states you are not allowed to build a bar within so many feet of a church. That’s a law. You can’t build a strip club within a certain area of a school. So now the liberal media want to twist his statement so they can tear down the one person that can run against Obama that they can’t call a racist. And most of you can’t see this is amazing, lord they don’t teach people to think for themselves any more.

On a related note it is really sad that the groups here are so scared of opposing arguments you “collapse” or delete people you disagree with. (Way to stick your head in the sand.) I find it funny that the libs here, the one group of people that screams equality doesn’t even know how it works, *golf clap* you all wear ignorance almost as well as you wear your hypocrisy. Oh the pill you’ll have to swallow when you finally learn.

sevens777 Islamophobia comes to mind. Most of the people who follow the Islamic faith are not terrorists. They are law abiding family people.

Put this in another line of comments and if it holds, then its truth..

DO Americans have the right to ban strip clubs from their community ?

DO Americans have the right to ban a toxic waste dump from their community?

Do Americans have the right to ban a bar from their community?

The truth is yes to all three of them.. AS WELL AS the right to ban a Mosque if they want to.

Herman Cain is correct.

Then you won't object if we mounted a protest to ban a megachurch in our community.

Mr Cain-

Sunday, September 15, 1963.

Does that date ring a bell? No? How about these names then?

Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson and Denise McNair

Still nothin"?

A church? In Birmingham, Alabama? Surely you member it, right? I think you do.

I do too.

And I remember the church exploding with with little girls, aged 11-14 years old in it. The bomb was set because some people didn't want segregation to end. They didn't want those people, there.

When the dynamite, that was placed there by four KKK members, exploded, it killed the four young girls and injured 22 more.

What were they doing? They were preparing for the morning's sermon - "The Love That Forgives'

(Source: Wikipedia)

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Mr Cain, I want you to remember those young girls when you take to the podium. When you make your stump speeches. When you declare that people have the right to deny some. the religious freedom of building a place to worship, because they're "uncomfortable" with the presence of the followers.

Remember those girls.

Then think about Mosques. Think about dynamite and hateful people. Think about who might be inspired by your words and your connection to them.

You are providing inspiration to people who will take your words as "patriotic". Who will take your rhetoric as license to solve the "problem". Keep up the rhetoric Mr Cain and soon you will have blood on your hands.

Remember Birmingham Mr Cain.

Then go back to selling pizza.

You are not worthy of running a bridge club, let alone a country.

Jimster that is an unfortunate truth. Thanks for reminding us of the road that could be taken with ignorant people.

Well, we got these weird snake-handlers up the road, Christian snake-handlers. Mr. Cain, will you help us ban this freaky congregation? How do we know these poisonous snakes won't get loose and bite my babies in the middle of the night?

Snake Handling of the type you speak of is already banned everywhere other than West Virginia I believe.

mike, it wasn't even then. there was no uprising of southern republicans to end slavery. the republican parties of midwest states like indiana and and pacific coast states like oregon were run by the klan.

it isn't about party. it is about political philosophy. by posting about the klan and the democratic party links he is trying to insinuate himself with people (the radical republicans) he would be against now, calling them rino's like someone did colin powell.

he neglects to mention that a republican president, calvin cooledge, allowed slavery to be reinstituted for two years in america after the great flood of 1927

http://books.google.com/books?id=vURJ8CNdiXQC&pg=PA176&lpg=PA176&dq=herbert+hoover+reneges+on+promise+to+robert+russa+moton&source=bl&ots=I2rk1BKoPe&sig=WFAAEJU1a-Vmx5U8_vqmjaUWtdE&hl=en&ei=7EEkTuyUCc3UiAKYtYGsAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

that republican rutherford b. hayes allowed the ending of the progress of black americans by allowing the undoing of reconstruction and the rise of white rule in the south

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_election.html

In 1876, the two major candidates running for President were Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican, and Samuel J. Tilden, a Democrat.

the deadlock was broken behind closed doors when Southern Democrats agreed to support Hayes' claim for the Presidency if he would support increased funding for Southern internal improvements and agree to end Reconstruction, thus guaranteeing home rule -- meaning white control -- in the South. Hayes became President and the Southern Democrats could reverse with impunity the gains that blacks had made during Reconstruction.

it's insulting because there is the implication that black people are not capable of reading history and making fact based decisions.

it also shows a complete delusion that modern republican party's positions have any relevance to black people.

Well, another one bites the dust! 2012 will be a rout!

What!!!! a banned religion!!! No way!!!! Oh wait there are a lot of them aren’t there.

Look it up.

Any time a religion has been used to try to hide or side step from the government, it has been shut down. People are free to worship whatever they want an organization is not free to bypass the law. Come on my salt lake people you know, well if you know your history you do. So some people here need to get educated before they speak. If zoning permit it there is not much that can be done.... oh wait Except if a community is banning together to stop it. Look up proven effects on property values and stop building issues.

The funny is you know if this thing was being built in a 'Spotted-owl' reserve most the Libs heads would explode. Stop the Mosque or kill the owl. We can't hurt the environment, but we can destroy a town pure Ignorance.

Well then Muslims are out then, as their religion teaches that it is ok to kill the infidels. ‘human sacrifice’ Oh I provided some quotes and terrorist provide the facts.

Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Sounds like a swell group I'm sure you want them in your town!

Really? you don't? have you looked it up? Go ahead I know for a fact if you look you will find it and more than once. And please provide the quote from the bible that says "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." I missed that in my last read through. Thanks! :)

And please provide the quote from the bible that says "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." I missed that in my last read through. Thanks! :)

There's (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) see below.

Evidently christians are out then, as their religion teaches that it is ok to kill just about anyone. 'human sacrifice', "stoning", burning, kill children for parent's deeds", kill and destroy complete town including livestock", Oh I provided some quotes and "American terrorist" provide the facts. And if you think for one minute there is no such thing as American Terrorist, you are sadly mistaken.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Sounds like a swell group, we got them all over America! :>)

rescue, I am glad that your thread is thriving, however, some of the commenters are a bit rabid, bigoted, and SO ignorant of the US Constitution that it has become laborious for me to follow. So I will be dropping of this thread.

It is sad because there are also several grand commenters that I have found very illuminating and enjoyable. And the topic has political ramifications that will reach into 2012 (alas, I fear Mr. Cain will not last that long). Too bad that the art of civil discourse is being replaced with oft repeated, vitriolic, sound bites. Not your fault, because you have monitored this thread objectively and attentively.

I will look for your seeds and Articles in the future.

Regards

Oh you are a clever one Lola did you copy that from the link all by yourself? Did you fact check any of it? Did you read the whole phrase or are you allowing some one lead you by the nose again?

"Do on to others as you would have done on to you"

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Check those quotes out OH! yea I almost forgot (not really but I think you get the scarcasm ;p)

"Thou shall not kill." It is one of the big 10 (It's like a totally big deal to belivers)

Maybe you should go and read it for yourself and then form an opinion instead of thinking you have any idea what any of that means.

Oh by the bye just to fair and honest

St. Nicholas Church’s difficulty in getting approvals to rebuild stands in stark contrast to the treatment that the developers of the proposed Cordoba mosque have received. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, state Atty. Gen. Andrew Cuomo, and a raft of city officials have all come out publicly in favor of building the mosque, and the city’s Landmarks and Preservation Commission recently voted unanimously to deny protection to the building currently occupying the site where the mosque is to be built.

What this was not covered on MSNBC! you have to be kidding me they would never slant the news! (Yeah that was more of the scarcasm, just in case I lost you.) Cheers!

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Interesting translation there, but it's corrupted. As all of them are.

9:5 So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Here Mohammed is referring to a specific time and place (as so much of the Qu'ran does), and two specific tribes who made agreements with the Muslims and then violated them. The place is Arabia, not the world.

Applying those verses to mean the present and the whole world is 100% wrong. Good job.

Oh you are a clever one Lola did you copy that from the link all by yourself? Did you fact check any of it? Did you read the whole phrase or are you allowing some one lead you by the nose again?

Yes I am Magnus Canis, and thank you noticing. Did you fact check any of the Quran? Have you read the complete phrase in contest or are YOU allowing some one to lead YOU by the nose AGAIN?

I can't see any of those passages in the christian bible in any context to justify the killing, stoning, or burning of anyone who may believe in a different god, commit adultery, a girl losing her virginity, killing sons of fathers, etc. Honestly, can you????? Can you seriously justify any that?

You can not condemn those who believe differently than you by picking passages out of their quran and not condemn those who believe in the christian bible by picking passages out of it. That's unfair and disingenuous.

Maybe you should go and read it for yourself and then form an opinion instead of thinking you have any idea what any of that means.

Oh dear! Have you not considered that perhaps I've already read it SEVERAL times and that's why I have the opinion I do? Perhaps you should go and read for yourself both the quran and christian bible before spewing such ignorant nonsense instead of thinking you have any idea what any of it means. Like I said, you can not condemn one with out condemning the other. You want to give the christian bible a pass my making excuses for what is written but you refuse to do the same for the quran.

Oh by the bye just to fair and honest

After reading your post I hardly think you have the capability of being fair and honest.

What this was not covered on MSNBC! you have to be kidding me they would never slant the news! (Yeah that was more of the scarcasm, just in case I lost you.) Cheers!

It's been quite some time since I've watched MSNBC, so what's your point? You've got a lot of ASSumption and perhaps that's why you feel the way you do. Perhaps you should stick to fact instead of ASSumption, you'll get a lot further and look a lot less foolish.

Noted rescue dogs62, my apologies.

Thank you.

It's been around fifty years since I read both the Quran and the Old & New Testaments of the Bible.

But I remember they both have passages advocating killing and murder in them.

Here's a beaut! "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Psalms 137:9

Lola (kind of funny the argument with that name but then maybe you don't know)

See exactly my point you misconstrue biblical quotes to suit your needs but you demand the Koran be put into context! LOL you are too much that’s like your losing the game so you change the rules. Kills me how you libs think. Now yes I have read it and actually studied the ‘jihad’ extensively. I was fortunate enough to have taken some courses on this while I was in school, for fun. So did I take my quotes out of context no, look up the definition, Or I don’t know learn an ounce about what you are trying to defend. Are the quotes you are using out of context yes and no, some are some are citing Old Testament laws which were over turned by the new testament. You know this of course you read it right ;p. Just in case you forgot the New Testament also tells us to obey the leader set above us, meaning to obey the laws of the land ie no acts of terrorism. Oh darn those pesky facts! I know you want to be right (pun intended hehe) but you’re wrong. Sadly you either know better and choose to ignore it (Ignorant) or you are Incapable of using speech skills needed to support your thought (dumb). (These are definitions. ;p not implications. You may simply be lazy and only know how to copy and paste. IDK :D)

Sorry Dog I was typing while you posted that.

Take a look at these....this is the 613 mitzvot...the 10 commandments are just the first 10...

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

285-289 are some good ones...

285. That the Court shall pass sentence of death by decapitation with the sword (Ex. 21:20; Lev. 26:25) (affirmative).
286. That the Court shall pass sentence of death by strangulation (Lev. 20:10) (affirmative).
287. That the Court shall pass sentence of death by burning with fire (Lev. 20:14) (affirmative).
288. That the Court shall pass sentence of death by stoning (Deut. 22:24) (affirmative).
289. To hang the dead body of one who has incurred that penalty (Deut. 21:22) (affirmative).

Have a look there are some good ones

Lola (kind of funny the argument with that name but then maybe you don't know)

I see you are continuing the personal attacks. I have too much respect for rescue dogs62 to continue with our debate if you can not respect rescue dogs62 request.

It's too bad, I was quite enjoying it.

It is hard for me to read the verses of the Old Testament and see so many who wish to use them as proof as God being for violence and hate.

He had laid it out to the people what would happen to them when they rejected His way. He knew what they would do, He also knew how many would twist the words to make them try to conform to mans understanding of them instead of the Spirit of the law.

Yes indeed there are many warnings about what will happen if one doesn't follow what God has decreed as being acceptable to Him. Then He sent His Son Jesus Christ to teach us what He meant, and how He preferred mercy over sacrifice. Still "religions" today want to portray God as a merciless killer who seeks to destroy what He Created.

To be sure His word is true, these things will happen to those who commit those acts, if they do not repent in His Son. What do you think hell is ?? It is everlasting life, but away from God. Oh and they had the promise of the coming Messiah who would lead them out of captivity, but they were looking at the ways of man and the world not God and His way which is different.

Not that any will agree with me, but it is something for those with some understanding to consider.

What do you think hell is ??

Ah, Texas right now, LOL! It's been over 100 for weeks now.

Lola..:

Yeah, that is "hell"

LOL, I hope it cools down some by Sept. I'm going to one of my grandaughters' wedding ceremony. :~)) :~))

Just to clarify some of what I said.

When Jesus Christ spoke of any being without sin being able to cast the first stone against the woman caught in adultery. Who was able to but Him ??

I think that spoke volumes about how the lawlessness of those who would condemn others is viewed by God. Yet He is able to do all that He says He will do because He is without sin. He knows what is coming and has offered forgiveness in Him to all who seek Him, He gives the warning to those who reject Him what it will be like for them.

Peace.

Actually, deep in the bowels of the "Inferno" sinners are standing waste deep in an icy cold slush kind of like a Slurpee!

joe wobblie:

Yeah, kind of like the burn one can get from propane being dispensed huh ?? :~))

It burns just as bad and blisters quickly, I've had a few.

LOL, I hope it cools down some by Sept. I'm going to one of my grandaughters' wedding ceremony. :~))

I'll be going to Seattle for some nice cool weather in Sept. usually I go in Aug. but it didn't work out this year. I was in Michigan caring for an sick relative from the end of May and all through June, I can honestly say some days I was freezing. I've come to realize I'll take the cold weather above hot weather. In the cold you can bundle up, you can only take off so much clothes when it's hot, especially in public.

I'll be hoping for some cool weather in Sept. for you granddaughters wedding.

cowboygrandpa:

Could be, Gramps! Dante (like you) was steeped in religious sophistry but I don't think he knew about propane back in the 14th century.

Actually LOLA it was a reference to that being the Spanish name for the Virgin Mary. Look it up, I would have thought you knew that it was actually a joke at the ironly of the converstaion. Maybe you need to light up A LOT. ;P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_(given_name)

Magnus Canis, It's very strange that you would think that I might be offended by your referencing my screen name then completely discount the rest of your post# 1.83. Perhaps you should reread your post then explain the actual jokes in it, to me they were attacks, something I've promised rescue dogs62 I will no long participate in. Perhaps you should heed rescue dogs62 request of no more attacks if you are able to do so. Otherwise I will no long respond to your baiting.

He also is respecting my request.

rescue dogs62, I respectfully disagree. To attempt to explain away the first sentence of a post full of attacks and tell me to lighten up A LOT ;P, is in no way respecting your request.

Wow, there was some hiccup in the system, I noticed it happened to other posters on other seeds. Sorry about that rescue dogs62.

So I won't delete your duplications. There's definitely a bug in the system today.

I don't mind if you delete 2 of them.

If you still think I'm wrong, please let me know because perhaps I missed something. I have a sinus headache today so it's possible, but I still think it's responsible to monitor my seeds.

The poster is not worth any more of my time, I prefer not to discuss him/her further. I hope you get to feeling better soon, sinus headaches suck!

Now yes I have read it and actually studied the ‘jihad’ extensively. I was fortunate enough to have taken some courses on this while I was in school, for fun.

I call BS. You cannot study Jihad (there is no "the", btw) in a school setting.

ji·had/jiˈhäd/Noun

1. (among Muslims) A war or struggle against unbelievers.
2. The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Perhaps you studied the Qur'an? Again I call BS, for you never would have posted those egregious corruptions in #1.72.

Now go and give a big hug to the nearest muslim and tell them that you love them. :>)

rescue dog62:

And YOU in your pontifical manner profess to know "cowboygrandpa" AND whether he gained his specious beliefs thru "personal decision" OR by indoctrination???

PROVE IT! — Show me convincing non-partisan testimony! — Put up or shut up! - BOO!

redcued dog:

YOU are certainly NOT "convincing non-partisan testimony"!

And WHAT violation? Do you believe for a moment you are NOT pontifical?

You cannot threaten me... I have placed you on my "Ignore This Author" list!

Good suggestion.

We had at least one Muslim poster on this board. He could start there. : ^ )

Thanks. What is there left to do before something very stupid and ugly begins? This is why a Herman Cain is so dangerous- it is quite similar to the ways Slobodan Milosevic and Ratko Mladic gained their power. The people to their own surprise cheered them on and both became drunk with power.

Thank God/Allah/little god/Creator that we have this inspired and brilliant document called The Constitution. We probably have no idea how many times it has saved us from ourselves.

Rescue Dog

Definite "Bug" today , duplicate posts, I got the "Bubblegum" message too.

Lost half of my page, it was weird, . Sorry off topic. Please forgive

rescue dogs62:

Thanks for standing up for me while I was at work. I guess I shouldn't have cast pearls before swine -wisdom from the Lord to those who would not understand it-

I just shake the dust from my feet with people like that.

Peace my friend and may God Bless and watch over you.

Oh and as far as a testimony, on how I came to the Lord. It started as a kid through some very hard and trying times and medical conditions that should have killed me. But I was one stubborn fool, who thought that the things of the world were more important than the things of God. Throw in a war, divorce, deaths of friends and family, drugs, alcohol, living wildly and feeling empty with every attempt to fill myself with the supposed happiness of this fleshly world, and maybe one could begin to see. :~)) :~)) Having found the love of God I found what I had been searching for my entire life, the emptiness left and the things of this world faded in importance as He filled my life.

If people do not believe it, that is their choice. But my children and ex wife-who now wishes she wasn't my ex wife- testify to the changes in speaking with all their friends and mine. One of my old friends who hadn't seen me in twenty five years still can't get over how much I've changed. He was afraid I was going to kill him for dating my ex wife. He was very afraid when I wouldn't drink with him, because he knew when I was out to do violence I remained sober. So in the year and a half he has seen me since he has said that if God could change me He could change anyone.

The glory goes to God, for He took from me the things He wanted gone from me, and has filled with what He wants in me.

Peace my friend.

demmywemmy

Actually, if you care to look there are several history courses both religious and historical that deal with THE "Jihad" and yes that is correct in this situation because it pertains to THE events between the Sunni and Shiite. You see if you care to learn, which I did (University of Tenn Knoxville & University of South Carolina) you would find that most of what the US has been pulled into by the Muslim Terrorist was really a battle over what ‘Muhammad’ wanted, it was basically a battle between the family and church leaders. So it was called THE Jihad and yes it is true that you defined the word correctly, there are instances when normal nouns take on Pronoun status due to situations, that’s why I put the “the” in front of it. I can see how that is confusing if you don’t know the history and I should have been clearer. But I strongly recommend everyone learn this. You cannot understand just how corrupt and vindictive this group can be. You will also learn that there are in fact peaceful Muslims BUT only because they have splintered and do not follow the doctrine. My research this morning shows that they are about 15% of the current total, but since they have changed their scripture and do not follow the original teaching we really are talking semantics at this point. By the bye if you’re going to try to call BS you should at least know something on the topic so you don’t come across looking a bit closed-minded. Just because you don’t know, doesn’t mean other’s of us did not care enough to get informed, I did. As always fact check it.

Rescue:

Thanks.

If by sharing what I share another can see that it is possible for them to also know the forgiveness of Jesus Christ, there is nothing I won't share within reason. I would never want to place another person in harms way, or cause them to suffer for because of me.

Your friendship is a treasure, thank you and God Bless and watch over you and yours.

'uneducated paranoia' is a euphemism for Fox Viewers.

rescue dogs, barbara houston

They all (republican right/tea party) play on uneducated paranoia. In fact they play on the uneducatable (those who think fox news is news) and red herrings all the time. The one news source folks will believe anything they (fox) say because they WANT to believe it.

AZ Arnie,

The remarkable thing to me is that everyday working stiffs, whom the GOP has NO use for except as cannon fodder, LISTEN to Fox.

Barbara,

I agree.

What really amazes me is the fact that if you are a working stiff you would actually think the Republican party is on your side and will help you.....now that's what I call insanity.

rescue,

Sad but true. My Mom (who is a devout Dem) lives in a retirement community in WI where a MAJORITY of the retirees are Republican. Do they understand that the GOP wants them to live on less so the Ultra Rich don't have to pay their fair share?

Oh I forgot, that is not Fox-speak. In Fox-speak Obama wants to ruin the economy by taxing the 'job creators'.

BTW, FOX is a cable channel that is part of the 'regular service' package. Other cable channels like MSNBC or Current are an upgrade that most seniors can't afford.

Murdoch, like the Koch Brothers, are deluding the country with mis-information. The Kochs bought the Governor's seat in WI, and now 59% of the state has 'buyer's remorse'.

"You can fool some of the people all the time." All you need is enough fools. I also live in a senior community and we argue all the time about the Repubs. I am sorry to say it is more about race than anything else. I never realized just how deep racism ran until Obama was elected.

I so agree, but he has a base somewhere.

He does its the same people that think black shouldn't have churches and burn them down. Its just right now Muslims are more of concern to them.

He thinks they came from GOD

I wonder if God talks to him Too?

I listened to him in an interview and this man is odd