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Daily Kos: The Foxification Of CNN: New Management Pushes The Network Into Crazy Territory

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Now presiding over CNN, Jautz has brought his brash and distinctively commercial style to the network that once aspired to be a model of journalistic integrity. He is employing the same sensationalist philosophy at CNN that brought him success at HLN, along with a decidedly conservative bent. In an interview he gave after his promotion was announced Jautz delivered a tribute to Fox News and a preview of what to expect from his tenure saying that he does not believe that "facts-only" programming will work. True to his word he has endeavored to give CNN a shiny Fox-like hue and assembled a team that shares his aversion to facts.

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rescue dogs62

This really saddens me. The thing I liked about CNN was it's neutral stance, although most of those who watch FOX saw it as liberal. To have people like Glenn Beck on there, especially when the producer can make the statement about Beck,

"Glenn's style is self-deprecating, cordial...not confrontational.

it makes me want to laugh.....................or cry.

CoH please

  • 16 votes
#1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:34 AM EST
Orly Holmes

The far-leftwinged KOSSACKS take a typically partisan interpretation as to what is occuring at CNN. This of course is an error-prone viewpoint based upon their partisan construct. They are not honest brokers [ A similar critique from say, the PEW Center for People and The Press would carry more validity, but it has not observed the issues KOS claims to identify due to their position as a non-partisan thinktank] . In point of fact, the network is packed with newer and younger faces [ mostly women and minorities], who present opinion from a centrist or left of center perspective. OWS is lionized, and its worst excesses [ rape, assault, vandalism, and streetfighting], are rarely showcased. For weeks, it has shown itself to be THE Cain News Network, with its stories far outmatching those of all other networks including MSNBC.

Then too, ''interpretive journalism'' has long been abject of ''facts'' ,especially in its print format. What is supposed to be ''hard news'' is delivered with an op-ed style, thus the fourth estate suffers in this by presenting Americans [PEW, GALLUP], with it's lowest ever-recorded measure of trust in media institutions.

www.people-press.org

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST
Reliant

it makes me want to laugh.....................or cry.

Try Gag.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:20 PM EST
Coral Atlas

I'm moving away from CNN as it continues to dilute News for ratings and emphasizes sensationalism over reporting facts .... and frankly even MSNBC has a bunch of corporatists ready and waiting to pull the strings up the ladder since their take-over.

Cain is a good example of how 300 million Americans can have there chain jerked by a failed political party with the help of news networks that don't bother to point out the disproportionately small number of voters included in the GOTP primaries.

Who cares if Cain has 25% of the GOTP straw poll??? All it means is the 75% in his party would never vote for him and at least 2 out of ten in the GOTP are color blind if not still radical right wing-nuts.

We can blame all the news networks for the distortions and disproportional presentation of reality TV news versus REAL news

scary

  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:02 PM EST
Rhazes

If CNN wants to increase its numbers it needs to actually give its viewers the news. CNN gets one story and runs its Micheal Jackson, Tiger Woods etc. Its all they talk about. The real news is at the bottom of the screen scrolling by. That's what I want to hear, not an interview of the cousin of someone who knew someone that met Michael Jackson when he was 5.

We don't need another lie spewing channel with a political agenda, MSNBC and Fox is enough.

Its really sad I have to watch BBC and read Mailonline to get actual news that's happening in my country and not a political agenda shoved down my throat.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 6:27 PM EST
T'omm J'Onzz

The thing I liked about CNN was it's neutral stance, although most of those who watch FOX saw it as liberal.

"reality as a well-known liberal bias."

To have people like Glenn Beck on there, especially when the producer can make the statement about Beck,

"Glenn's style is self-deprecating, cordial...not confrontational.

it makes me want to laugh.....................or cry.

or vomit.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:29 PM EST
Physicist-retired

CNN hasn't been 'news' or 'neutral' for a very long time.

When was the last time we saw someone with the intellectual chops of Jeff Greenfield gracing the stage at CNN? Instead of journalists and true analysts, we see a collection of 'News Readers" - beginning with Paula Zahn's 'zipper ad' in the Fall of 2001.

CNN can try to be Fox Lite - but we already have a Fox station. People who want Fox-style news will tune to Fox.

I don't think CNN will be around much longer. And it really is a shame. They used to be a good News station.

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:43 AM EST
Zoolopolis

Sorry, nuts and morons market cornered by Faux Noise.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:03 AM EST
euterpe-1641499

When CNN started using people from The Blaze as pundits, I stopped watching. It was bad enough when they legitimized Erik Erickson, and his Red State partisan blog, but The Blaze clinched it for me. Now I watch BBC and PBS for real news.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:36 AM EST
Jack TX

The Daily Kos has just accused someone ELSE of being crazy.

That's just funny.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:48 AM EST
feliznavidad

Not only is CNN biased, it is lacking in talent and work ethic. Over the years, they have invested less and less into actual reportage, substituting more and more vacuous opinions and celebrity gossip. The line of "questioning" by the vacuous anchors is positively repelling, including lip curls and hisses when [rarely] a "librul" viewpoint is expressed. This may be what dummfkopfs want over the short term --but it's doomed to total failure. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST
Jack TX

Over the years, they have invested less and less into actual reportage, substituting more and more vacuous opinions and celebrity gossip.

Name a network that has not done this.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST
euterpe-1641499

Name a network that has not done this.

So should we just shelve freedom of the press?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 8, 2011 4:10 PM EST
Jack TX

So should we just shelve freedom of the press?

????

I'm curious....just exactly HOW does my comment imply this?? Walk me through that interpretation.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST
euterpe-1641499

I'm curious myself, Jack. Why are you so quick to accept media bias? Doesn't it scare the heck out of you that, according to you, there is literally nowhere you can go to gain the truth?

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST
Jack TX

I'm curious myself, Jack. Why are you so quick to accept media bias? Doesn't it scare the heck out of you that, according to you, there is literally nowhere you can go to gain the truth?

I am quick to accept it because I believe the real danger is the attempt to limit it. No. It doesn't scare me. Why would it? Media bias has existed much longer than the United States.

I also believe that no matter how unbiased a media outlet tries to be, they will appear biased in the eyes of some people. Articles like this are ridiculous temper tantrums. This isn't a complaint about impartiality, it's a complaint that CNN doesn't agree with their particular inane viewpoints. The Daily Kos....complains about impartiality???? Who are they kidding? They are so far left they make Nancy Pelosi nervous. They make Barney Frank look like Barry Goldwater.

Who decides whether a media outlet is biased? Me? You? Popular vote? You commented about "gaining the truth". Do you really rely on media presentations to get that?

Fox is biased one way. MSNBC is biased the other way. That works. Trying to limit any of that will be a disaster of such magnitude it's indescribable.

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST
Kearney Outlaw

Fundamentally, I agree with you, Jack. I think it's fair to point out, though, that there is a difference between "bias" and outright lies. It's important to recognize the difference and be able to distinguish either when you see it. From any source.

I can stand to watch a broadcast and untangle the biased angle on a story. I won't waste my time with a station that has demonstrated time and time again that it's willing to outright lie to its viewers.

The two are not the same.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 2:17 PM EST
Jack TX

I think it's fair to point out, though, that there is a difference between "bias" and outright lies. It's important to recognize the difference and be able to distinguish either when you see it. From any source.

Absolutely.

And in that line of thinking, it's important that each of us is permitted to recognize the difference for ourselves.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 7:50 PM EST
Shebow

What scares me is the inability to find outlets delivering information that doesn't serve the interests of the corporations that own them and the political parties who further their agendas for them. Bias doesn't scare me. Deliberate disinformation and dog and pony shows designed to keep me from questioning just where and what the facts are does scare me. I recommend LINK and FSTV. I receive them through Directv. Definite progressive bias but much more straightforward journalism. If you don't agree with their slant, they are giving you enough information to go online and investigate further.

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:47 PM EST
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ettenna

I knew I smelled something funny....even the lighting is different...

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST
agagnu

Yep, the spread of the foxfart smell, but cannot imagine those very elegant ladies letting off. Some musical chairs are in order.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:27 PM EST
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Shelby Davenport

"Facts-only" programming won't work? Well, I'd say they are Fox-2, if that's the case. I'm wondering if they will have some defections? I see Current TV broadening their political line up.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST
Kearney Outlaw

I think all three cable news channels are a joke, albeit for different reasons. CNN has given up any attempt to operate with journalistic integrity. Anyone who asks its viewers to text them with what should crap should be presented obviously doesn't have a clue about how to fill time with news.

MSNBC could be run by a bunch of high school kids to better effect. Their on-air talent is embarrassing.

Fox... Well, it's not even news, of course. Goebbels would be proud of what they've done with the place.

How fast would people jump on a real news station if someone wanted to do it? (Richard Branson, are you listening?)

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST
agagnu

might as well include C-Span when it allows abused freedom of speech to pollute the airwaves without debunking.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:29 PM EST
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Loretta Kemsley

The invention of the 24 hour news cycle has completely destroyed journalistic integrity. I too liked CNN because it avoided the opinion driven "news," so this really saddens me to hear.

HLN is not a good model for CNN to become. One only has to look at their over the top rhetoric when it comes to court cases. In the Michael Jackson deat trial, the defense attorneys -- who traditionally oppose sequestering a jury -- argued that HLN and Nancy Grace's endless attacks on defendents made sequesteration a necessity.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten-nancy-grace-20110723,0,1743055.column

In his argument to Pastor this week, Flanagan quite correctly said Grace's nightly commentary during the Anthony trial was "like a final argument by the prosecution." He went on to wonder: "How many final arguments do we have to face in this case? Are we going to face the one in the courtroom and the one when [the jurors] go home?"

Of course, the sequestering of a jury drives up the costs to the taxpayers, but even more, it costs all of us our right to a fair trial.

This widens into all other aspects of our lives, including our right to fair elections. Is this what we want? Election by propaganda produced and broadcast as "news"?

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:25 AM EST
Pacific Northwest Blogger

CNN needs Ted back at the helm just like Apple needed Jobs return.

  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:30 AM EST
Dean Moriarty

Ted is a left wing wacko.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST
Coral Atlas

as opposed to right wing wacko's ....

  • 7 votes
#6.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:04 PM EST
Pacific Northwest Blogger

My point about Ted for anyone that doesn't know his history, he's a huge risk taker. Something CNN needs about now. Instead of their pandering to gain market share. Ted could see outside the box and come up with a new approach to news, just like he did making 24 hour cable news a reality.

  • 3 votes
#6.3 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

he's a huge risk taker...

Yes! Absolutely! To his credit! That's a business/capitalist matter, to which I have the utmost respect.

But, he's no journalist. Or editor. He has a decided political bent, and that has NO place in a newsroom.

  • 1 vote
#6.4 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:05 PM EST
Pacific Northwest Blogger

He has a decided political bent

Going off topic, could you describe the political bent?

  • 2 votes
#6.5 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:28 PM EST
rescue dogs62

Ted Turner leans to the right. A number of years ago he was a little more liberal, but he's gone way over to the other side.

  • 4 votes
#6.6 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:39 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

could you describe the political bent?

Many construe his beliefs to be decidedly leftwing. Absolutely his right. To be respected. I don't think anybody could realistically peg Turner as a conservative. Regardless, his political bent has no place in a newsroom.

IOW, to the point: Most people, and I would imagine Ted Turner himself, would peg Turner as decidedly liberal.

Does that answer your question? Let me know. :)

  • 3 votes
#6.7 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST
rescue dogs62

Truth,

You're correct, I was in error.

  • 2 votes
#6.8 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 4:52 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

I like Ted Turner. I don't agree that he's any more of an impartial editorial gatekeeper than Rupert Murdoch is. I gather you agree.

  • 2 votes
#6.9 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 4:59 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

IOW, to the point:

Ted Turner is to the left what Rupert Murdoch is to the right.

In journalism, both are anathema to the truth.

The truth lies in the apolitical reporting. And I'm fearful that there're not too many journalists out there who don't have their pre-conceived, pre-ordained conclusions to their stories already "confirmed." IOW, a desired result in mind, and then, a carefully crafted story to "confirm" it.

Pathetic.

  • 2 votes
#6.10 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST
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Jim420

anyone that thinks this is new to CNN, HLN or any of the TBS networks has fogotten the highly propaganzied "captain Planet"

I welcome the OP-ED programming on HLN and CNN it's nice to have a polar opposite to the hyperbole of FOX news......

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 12:02 PM EST
aeonpax

If I watch any news on TV, it's always the PBS NewsHour. The rest, I've given up on long time ago.

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM EST
Cornhusker4Palin

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/october-2011-ratings-new-lineup-and-a-debateleads-cnn-to-second-place-finish-in-demo_b95879

CNN's new primetime lineup, leading off with Erin Burnett and featuring a double-dose of Anderson Cooper, along with a highly-rated GOP debate, delivered solid October numbers for the cable channel.

The ratings for October, 2011:

•Primetime (Mon-Sun): 638K Total Viewers / 201K A25-54
•Total Day (Mon-Sun): 409K Total Viewers / 128K A25-54
In primetime, CNN is up +13% in total viewers and +22% in the key adults 25-54 demographic compared to last year, placing it second behind Fox News in the demo.

CNN also topped MSNBC during dayside programming (M-F 9a-5p) in total viewers (519k vs. 344k) and in the demo 25-54 (139k vs. 85k). Compared to a year ago, CNN increased +5% in the key demo 25-54;

Reach:

CNN reached a cumulative audience of 95.2 million viewers in October, FNC followed with 78.5 million, while MSNBC was third with 77.7 million.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST
JayTee-3231157Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Daily KOS talks about another media outlet being in "Crazy Territory"......WTF, the hypocrisy drips from this one.

CNN topps MSNBC ? Those 912 Tea Partiers making fun of CNN at the Tea Party and chanting "Tell the Truth" must have had the desired effect over time.

  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:31 PM EST
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DocPhil

just what we need, another fact free station...... this from the station that brought us intellectually relevant news broadcasting....... a pity.

  • 13 votes
Reply#11 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:11 PM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

Just please,dump nancy and jane. They are so over-the-top loud and obnoxious.

To me,it's like nails on a chalkboard,and that is only moderately annoying to me compared to other people's reactions.

Let's see every episode of nancy grace below.

nancy: Let's hear your opinion...

Guest: Well I think he did a gre...

nancy interrupting: THERE IT IS! STRAIGHT FROM A PROFESSIONAL'S MOUTH! HE ALSO THINKS THE SAME AS I DO! HE DID IT!

The missing child in Mo,and she already has the parents tried,convicted,and should be in jail. Why do we need courts with this bimbo?

  • 5 votes
#11.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:47 PM EST
DS12

nancy interrupting: THERE IT IS! STRAIGHT FROM A PROFESSIONAL'S MOUTH! HE ALSO THINKS THE SAME AS I DO! HE DID IT!

The missing child in Mo,and she already has the parents tried,convicted,and should be in jail. Why do we need courts with this bimbo?

Sounds like she would fit the lineup well.

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:20 PM EST
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Bibi-1186846

I wonder if Wolf Blitzer will still be on CNN? I respect his commentaries. I feel like CNN is a real news channel, and not a sham.

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST
Par4TheCourse

Yup! That's what we need more of.. another Faux Pas Snooze station.. Headline News: "UFO lands on Cantors front yard.. Aliens investigate.. Report No Intelligent Lifeforms on Earth"

  • 5 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:56 PM EST
Carbonsteel

If someone wants to get the full picture of whats going on in the world, then watch a little of all three of the big cable news channels.

Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all bring something to the table. Each network, like most news outlets run with stories that come off the AP wire.

Watch all three and you'll notice you get of the same content, the only real difference in the commentary. The idea that Fox or anyone other news agency "LIES" is laughable if one knows how and where these networks get the headlines they cover.

If you don't agree with the commentary, find a show that fits your narrative as each network has something to offer.

I find the best way to get the whole truth is to frequent each one. There are folks on each network that I like and dislike and most have work across all three networks. It hard to find a reporter, commentator, or editor that hasn't worked for one of the other networks at one time or the other.

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:10 PM EST
Par4TheCourse

Watch all three and you'll notice you get of the same content, the only real difference in the commentary.

With Faux Pas Snooze .. one would hope that editing is not used extensively

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:22 PM EST
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all bring something to the table. Each network, like most news outlets run with stories that come off the AP wire.

Actually,

June 21, 2010: 4:59 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- CNN announced on Monday that it will no longer use content from the Associated Press, ending a business relationship that had been in place since the cable network's inception.

While the move was partly a business decision, Walton stressed that it was also motivated by other reasons, including a desire to differentiate CNN from its competitors.

  • 5 votes
#14.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:50 PM EST
Kearney Outlaw

Or you could ignore all three and get REAL news from elsewhere. NPR and BBC come to mind.

  • 5 votes
#14.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:56 PM EST
rescue dogs62

I also read Al Jazeera English on line.

  • 4 votes
#14.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:37 PM EST
Shebow

LINK TV also carries Al Jazeera. I've discovered they are a great news source. Much like the BBC used to be.

  • 3 votes
#14.5 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:49 PM EST
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insight-122112

It's all about money. CNN has been going down for awhile, since Lou Dobbs went bonkers. Too bad we Americans allows people to lie to use in the guise of 'Free Speech'. It's not honest debate, but sedition and fraud, which is illegal. Too bad Eric Holder is a wimp.

  • 4 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:13 PM EST
Harris from the Post

CNN and CNN.com have become a total joke. I tuned in for a couple minutes in the middle of the day last week and the smoking hot girl doing the "news" was just rambling as fast as she possibly could and inserting phrases like, "You've GOT to see this!" as they basically went through Youtube videos and called them headlines. It's just MTV for adults now.

CNN.com is even worse, it's all T&A and car wrecks now. Not one mention of anything going on in Oakland last Thursday or Friday. Not a peep. I know they think it's childish or whatever, but CNN is support to simply report the news. 20,000 people marching on an Oakland highway is a news story no matter why they're doing it.

Newsvine used to be a good source of unfiltered new, but now we have to worry about NBC filtering it.

  • 1 vote
Reply#16 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:21 PM EST
silverhawk63

FOX NEWS has been putting the truth out there for the last 15years and staying at the top of the news ratings.Looks like CCN is the first of the left wing media to give up the daily puking of DNC talking points and trying to pass it off as reality. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

  • 4 votes
#17 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:21 PM EST
insight-122112

Glad to see FOX NEWS has loyal fans. Too bad it's all propaganda.

  • 7 votes
#17.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Glad to see FOX NEWS has loyal fans. Too bad it's all propaganda.

Fox is carried on basic subscription packages on most cable and satellite services, where MSNBC, CurrentTV and on some CNN are part of the premium packages or not even offered. More people watch Fox Cable, because Fox Cable is on more provider basic packages. This started about the time Michael Powell Chairman of the FCC changed the rules to allow media market monopolies, specifically changing the rules for Murdoch.

  • 6 votes
#17.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:54 PM EST
Kearney Outlaw

FOX NEWS has been putting the truth out there for the last 15years

"truth" = excrement. Enjoy!

  • 6 votes
#17.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST
Coral Atlas

Whatever someone wants to believe is "their" truth ..... I can live with that ... but then the Fox viewers may not be able to live with eventually ... when gold and the stock market tanks -

OWS is coming to a wall street near you - with sharpened pitch forks ...

  • 4 votes
#17.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:09 PM EST
1eachBENNIS

So silverhawk, when FOX said they were trying to push the invasion of Iraq, thats still "putting the truth out there"? Not propaganda? You see the problem here? You sure you got it right?

  • 5 votes
#17.5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:13 PM EST
Cornhusker4Palin

OWS is a dying movement.

  • 1 vote
#17.6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:48 PM EST
Kearney Outlaw

OWS is a dying movement.

Of course it is. No one ever expected it to go on indefinitely. The seeds have been planted and a much more serious movement will take its place.

If it doesn't, the middle class will evaporate and the US will become a third-world country.

  • 6 votes
#17.7 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:57 PM EST
T'omm J'Onzz

FOX NEWS has been putting the truth out there for the last 15years...

too bad they don't put out any facts with said "truth."

as always, anytime anyone is offering or saying something is "the truth" unsolicited, it's actually a lie, like a 90+% probability. that's even why on the witness stand they ask for "the truth" and not facts, as truth has certain relativity, a certain subjective nature to it. one witness may remember a particular something one way, while another recalls it differently, but both are telling "the truth" as they see or remember it.

  • 5 votes
#17.8 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:39 PM EST
Coral Atlas

FOX is a modern day version of Tokyo Rose for the GOTP ... pure unadulterated propaganda -

anti-american and pro-plutocrats

  • 3 votes
#17.9 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

Yes. Fox News is a packaged, marketed PR venue for modern-day "conservatism," which has very little to do with true conservatism. And true conservatism obviously has nothing to do with the current GOP or Tea Party, which has corrupted conservatism--and the Constitution--for political gain (and political-enemy-bashing, imo).

Likewise, Alternet, as just one example, is the same kind of "filtered news" package on the other end of the political spectrum.

Neither has any place in respectable journalism.

So, those who lambaste Fox News, such as myself, should also be very clear as to whether they really want unbiased, objective news, or whether they really want anti-conservative news. Big, big difference.

The facts are apolitical. Partisan hatemongers--right and left--are not. They're quite political. Any kind of news that has to be sifted through a partisan sieve--right or left--and then seasoned with rightness or leftnes is not news. It's PR or propaganda. The left is no more immune to bias than the right is. If Ted Turner is an avowed left-winger, then he has no more place in an editing/management position at CNN than Rupert Murdoch has at Fox.

Decide what you want folks: Your own personal slant on the faux news, or, alternatively, real news. Granted, it's harder and harder to find nowadays. And, seeking a "conservative" or a "liberal" site is, by definition, defeating the purpose.

Sometimes the truth is counter to conservatism and sometimes to liberalism.

  • 3 votes
#17.10 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:19 PM EST
bobbievee

Truth Sleuth, although I generally agree with your comment, here's a couple of points where I take exception:

1) Objectivity in journalism does not equate to political moderation. Everyone has opinions, and it is impossible for human beings to be completely emotionally detached from controversial issues. Objectivity depends on reporting all the pertinent facts of an issue, and letting the story tell itself. If a journalist wants to convey their personal opinion, they should do so by making a clear distinction between it and the components of the story. There have been many excellent journalists who were conservative or liberal in their personal lives.

2) Journalistic truth is not found halfway between far-right and far-left politics. That is only a relative position between two variable points of view, and is not a measure of "truth." Only the empirical facts of an issue can establish its correctness. Those who say that MSNBC, for example, is a left-wing version of Fox News, are making a false equivalence. There is no doubt that MSNBC's weekday prime-time lineup is liberal political opinion. But, they do not "play loose" with the facts like Fox News does. Fox News is essentially a propaganda network that occasionally reports actual news.

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#17.11 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST
insight-122112

TruthSleuth - I agree, except to point out that FOX is found everywhere, and I travel alot. To find MY kind of truth is next to impossible without a laptop and internet connection.

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#17.12 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 6:52 PM EST
Truth Sleuth

Objectivity in journalism does not equate to political moderation. Everyone has opinions, and it is impossible for human beings to be completely emotionally detached from controversial issues. Objectivity depends on reporting all the pertinent facts of an issue, and letting the story tell itself. If a journalist wants to convey their personal opinion, they should do so by making a clear distinction between it and the components of the story. There have been many excellent journalists who were conservative or liberal in their personal lives.

Couldn't agree with you more. Well said. My points in my 17.10 were not intended to be contrary to what you said above. I agree with what you said above.

Journalistic truth is not found halfway between far-right and far-left politics. That is only a relative position between two variable points of view, and is not a measure of "truth."

"Truth" is literally, philosophically unknowable. All we journalists can do is report the facts. And the omission or inclusion of certain facts in a story is decidedly editorial, and that's unavoidable with human beings.

Those who say that MSNBC, for example, is a left-wing version of Fox News, are making a false equivalence. There is no doubt that MSNBC's weekday prime-time lineup is liberal political opinion. But, they do not "play loose" with the facts like Fox News does. Fox News is essentially a propaganda network that occasionally reports actual news.

Agree 100%. Fox News' bias is overt and obvious. What makes liberal news outlets biased is a little more sophisticated and subtle. One of the most common dead giveaways is the choice not to answer obvious follow-up questions that scream to be asked. The apparent reason is that the reporter (or editor) does not want to hear and report the answer because it's contrary to their political views and it would cast an angle to the story that they don't want to cast. The reporting of illegal immigration matters is an excellent example of this. There are a lot of follow-ups and more in-depth digging that would portray some illegal immigrants not as sympathetically as many would like. That's an obvious editorial decision, maybe editorial bias. I get that. I don't approve, but I get it. Fox does the same kinds of things, just more sloppily and more obviously.

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#17.13 - Tue Nov 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST
Truth Sleuth

To find MY kind of truth is next to impossible without a laptop and internet connection.

When you say "MY kind of truth," it suggests that "truth" is variable. The truth is not variable. It's true regardless of whether the reader/listener is liberal or conservative. What I'm inferring from what you said is that you're looking for what feels more agreeable and thereby truthful to you. I get that. I think as consumers of the news, we probably all do that. That's why some folks prefer the extremes of Fox and Alternet, and others look for more reputable and credible liberal and conservative sources.

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#17.14 - Tue Nov 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST
insight-122112

We all have our filters, and I tell all my friends to stop looking at Fox. Their blood pressure has come down alot.

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#17.15 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 3:03 PM EST
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bobbievee

Anyone who has watched television news over the past 5 decades as I have, is fully aware that the societal duties of the Fourth Estate have been subordinated to the various competing corporate agendas that comprise the mainstream media. Now, money rules over truth in every appreciable way. Cronkite is long gone, Huntley & Brinkley have faded from memory, and others like Howard K. Smith and Harry Reasoner are just minor footnotes in the pages of journalistic history.

Although the media conglomerates target viewer-ship differently (Fox News feeds propaganda to right-wing conservatives, and MSNBC only airs news stories that their liberal audience is interested in), they all are complicit in ignoring issues that would offend corporate sponsors (who pay their bills) and political leaders (who provide "credibility" as guest interviewees). Case in point, this graph compares media coverage of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street protests over time. You will notice that the anti-establishment OWS protests were hardly covered at all until its sheer weight of numbers became impossible to ignore.

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Reply#18 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST
rescue dogs62

Cornhusker,

OWS is a dying movement.

Already billions have been pulled out the large banks and transferred to smaller banks or credit unions. Whether the camping out protest will last much longer, probably not, but there are many of the middle class that are mobilized in a number of ways, and will carry it into the elections.

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#18.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:43 PM EST
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rescue dogs62

FOX NEWS has been putting the truth out there for the last 15years

Oops., I think you left out the /sarc.

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Reply#19 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:40 PM EST
silverhawk63

Let me put the haha back in.The left spent the better part of a year trying to blackball Glenn Beck out of a media job. Glenn leaves Fox, starts GBTV and lands another job on CNN.ROFL. Doesn't seem that whole boycott thing worked out for you.BBBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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#19.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:26 PM EST
agagnu

Ever heard of rolling stone gathers no moss ? Foxy glenn beck is not making it otherwise why should this stone roll? CNN is making a very wrong move.

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#19.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:36 PM EST
bobbievee

Glenn Beck's demise at Fox News was his own doing. Even Roger Ailes had had enough of his insanity.

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#19.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:55 PM EST
Kearney Outlaw

LOL! Glen Beck zombies. Ha ha ha... Always looking for brains and not finding any.

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#19.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST
Cornhusker4Palin

Beck isn't going back to CNN. he started there on TV with HLN. He is doing his own business now, moving his company, jobs, and wealth from high tax New York to 0 state income tax Texas near Dallas.

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#19.5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:05 PM EST
Coral Atlas

Great - perhaps then he'll die of thirst ;-)

wishful thinking on my part ...

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#19.6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:11 PM EST
T'omm J'Onzz

he's going to Texas because he heard 'there's gold there! gold, i tells ya! yahoo!' #oldprospectervoice

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#19.7 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:41 PM EST
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tt16

I hate to see CNN change to the FOX Ideology but I am glad to see them take FOX viewers. Some CNN viewers will leave CNN and go to MSNBC and Current, then CNN will take half of FOX viewers. CNN will have higher ratings but FOX will have lower. It will be interesting watching Current expand and split with MSNBC. There is one good thing if you are a real cable news junkie, there are replays of almost everything.

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Reply#20 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 3:42 PM EST
1eachBENNIS

Not for nothing but when the pretty people talk slow, stupid-like, to "Presidential" candidates, does anyone really think the level will come up during regular programming, or is it about the "programing"? eh? eh?

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Reply#21 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:08 PM EST
1eachBENNIS

And for those that are concerned about how your armed forces get their news... its either HLN or FOX in the chow-hall or day rooms. Think about it.... what does that really mean...

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#21.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:08 PM EST
Coral Atlas

I hear that part of the cuts in spending will be the Fox news feed to mess halls.

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#21.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:12 PM EST
1eachBENNIS

Too little, to late. ( I know sarcasm, Coral Atlas.) Really, you should hear the STUPID stuff that comes out of normally "smart" peoples mouths when the have little access to information.

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#21.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:15 PM EST
DS12

its either HLN or FOX in the chow-hall or day rooms.

Its mostly Fox....brainwashing for the feeble mind.

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#21.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:24 PM EST
T'omm J'Onzz

"these are the WMD you're looking for." #StarWars

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#21.5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:43 PM EST
1eachBENNIS

- Hey! These ARE the WMD we are looking for!
- Ok! Lets move along to Iran.

    #21.6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:55 PM EST
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    sushicat

    There goes the CNN app. I used to think it was attempting to be balanced but this? The search is on for a "real" news station.

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    Reply#22 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:39 PM EST
    Linda-3523748

    I knew it! I thought that CNN sold out to the Koch brothers and have been convinced of it for the last few months. I thought WOW! They are no longer mid line are they! Im glad it wasnt just me and that I am not seeing things. Greed and Greed otta get along just fine as frog hare. Me, I guess its on to a different news program now.

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    Reply#23 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:55 PM EST
    Texasguy01

    CNN has been so liberal I could bever watch it. Since their ratings have plummeted and liberalism is imploding what do you expect? After reading these comments do people actually watch for serious news reporting or supporting opinions?

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    Reply#24 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:08 PM EST
    Linda-3523748

    CNN has been more midline. You just watch so much fox you dont know what midline is anymore. Oh I think when they hosted the tea party debate, that might have been a clue ya think? Birds of a feather? If I want right wing I go to faux lies and if I want sheerly left I go to MSNBC... Now CNN is history as well... So how is bloomburg for facts anyone know

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    Reply#25 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:39 PM EST
    Robert in Ohio

    The DailyKos questioning the unbiased nature of another media outlet's reporting is in the words of my granddaughter just "too funny"

    And I will not even bring the pot or the kettle into the conversation

    CNN, FOX, MSNBC are political talk shows and entertainment presentations with varied political bias and much the same can be said for "news" web sites like HuffPo, DailyKos, National Review, The Weekly Standard, Thinkprogress etc

    These are political opinion sites not news or journalism sites by a large measure

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    Reply#26 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST
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