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Tax Evaders Renounce U.S. Citizenship

Seeded on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:07 AM EST
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Rather than deal with the complexities of U.S. tax law, Americans living overseas are increasingly renouncing their citizenship in order to avoid paying their income taxes.

 

According to National Taxpayer Advocate Nina E. Olson, approximately 4,000 people gave up their citizenship from fiscal year 2005 to FY 2010. Renunciations increased sharply within the past three years, from 146 in FY 2008 to 1,534 in FY 2010. And during the first two quarters of FY 2011 alone, 1,024 Americans ditched their citizenship.

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rescue dogs62

The number of (wealthier) Americans who are renouncing their citizenship has been climbing in recent quarters.

In my opinion, they don't deserve their citizenship. It's not as if they were asked to put their lives on the line for this country as our military are....they are asked to pay taxes. There was an old saying "good riddance to bad rubbish"....I know that sounds really harsh, but the article sickens me.

CoH please

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Reply#1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:14 AM EST
skeptic-227981

No, that's not harsh at all. They are cowards and cheats. I wonder if the U.S. can go after them for any back taxes from when they were citizens. Boy, wouldn't that just make their day?

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:25 AM EST
SAtownMytown

In my opinion, they don't deserve their citizenship. It's not as if they were asked to put their lives on the line for this country as our military are....they are asked to pay taxes. There was an old saying "good riddance to bad rubbish"....I know that sounds really harsh, but the article sickens me.

^^^ +1. agree 100%.

Sorry, it's not just your opinion. :)

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:46 AM EST
Oiled Pelican

Those living overseas face a complexity of tax problems including the taxes of the new country. Some countries have laws that allow for a complex but workable solutuions (pay one country, take off taxes in the other country, etc). Whatever it is, though, it's cumbsome. You need to pay in the country of residency. I don't think the author of the article has it right.

The author claims:

"[a] Rather than deal with the complexities of U.S. tax law, [b]Americans living overseas are increasingly renouncing their citizenship [a] in order to avoid paying their income taxes."

The only obvious fact easily confirmed is (b). How does he know that (a) is the cause of (b)? I could think of lots of reasons for (a) rather than (b), incuding not knowing you can hold two citizenships.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:46 AM EST
Davy-755715

I think it's a crock of (s) @!$%#. It's not really new; their selfishness and greed forces them to do this, then they want to come back on nice long visas to visit friends and family they left. So typical of the bottom feeders.

"The onerous complexities, ohhhh!"

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:28 AM EST
FlNutmegger

Davy: I think it's a crock of (s) @!$%#. It's not really new; their selfishness and greed forces them to do this, then they want to come back on nice long visas to visit friends and family they left. So typical of the bottom feeders. "The onerous complexities, ohhhh!"

The most obvious answer to this is that; for anyone renouncing their citizenship would be a clause barring that individual from entering the US or any of its territories for any reason. Dual citizenship, for the likes of Joe Lieberman, should be banned altogether for you are either an American, or you are not, you can not have it both ways. Every time I see that scag pledging his allegiance to the flag I wonder which flag it is that he sees.

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#1.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:58 PM EST
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DEATHNELL J.

Beats eviction! Don't want to pay rent, you must go....

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Reply#2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:29 AM EST
sushicat

Good!

Either support your country or not.

And now they can actively support the country they call home.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:20 AM EST
lovemyplanet-400560

Why would these people be required to pay income taxes to a country in which they do not reside?

    Reply#4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:31 AM EST
    rescue dogs62

    lovemyplanet,

    My guess is, as you don't have difficulty with their actions, then you most probably are in accordance with their way of thinking and probably would have a hard time understanding the feelings of those who commented above.

      Reply#5 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:07 AM EST
      lovemyplanet-400560

      If people want to renounce their citizenship, that's their prerogative. However, I was asking a serious question. Why would these people, or anyone for that matter, be required to pay income tax to a country in which they do not live? It makes no logical sense to do so since taxes are supposed to be paying for services provided to the payor. If these people neither earn money in nor live in this country, why the requirement to pay income taxes here?

        #5.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:33 PM EST
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        rescue dogs62

        taxes are supposed to be paying for services provided to the payor

        Where did you come up with this idea. I pay school taxes and I have no children in schools, I pay money for intrastate transportation, and I don't use it. I pay taxes for veteran's hospitals, and I'm not a veteran and don't use them, my taxes go toward food stamps, CDC, vaccinations for poor...I could go on and on and on, I don't avail myself of any of these services, but as an American I pay taxes to contribute to the needs and services of my country. I don't travel overseas and have no need for the services of the American embassy, however if I did go overseas I know my embassy would be there for me. I don't live in Florida, but if I did when the hurricane came on shore, my country would be there with emergency services. This isn't a pay as you go country.

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        Reply#6 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:31 PM EST
        lovemyplanet-400560

        Where did you come up with this idea.

        History. Taxes were only imposed for the upkeep of the federal government in pursuit of the fulfillment of their Constitutional duties. All other additional taxes were sold to the public over time as services the federal or state governments were willing to provide to the taxpayers. Taxes were never initially sold as a duty to support other people or their wants because that duty does not exist. Nor does the Constitution give that right/duty to the federal government to fulfill. The implementation of taxes for services from which the taxpayer does not gain or benefit is in reality serfdom and/or slavery.

        This isn't a pay as you go country.

        It's always been a pay as you go country until it got corrupted.

        However, my question was not answered. Why would these people be required to pay income taxes to a country in which they do not reside?

          #6.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:08 PM EST
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          rescue dogs62

          I thought I answered it. Apparently being an American citizen means little to them, and I wonder how much it means to you.

          Taxes were never initially sold as a duty to support other people or their wants because that duty does not exist

          You have no concept of what it is for me to be an American, and I clearly have no understanding of yours. You sound a little Ayn Randian to me, and I find her philosophy disgusting.

            Reply#7 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:27 PM EST
            lovemyplanet-400560

            I most certainly do. To be American means to be free. It does not mean that we are enslaved to a dictatorial majority, minority or government.

            Ayn Randian to me

            I have no idea really. I've never read her. I just spend a lot of time thinking, most of my time actually. If she espoused freedom to the opposite of slavery then she got it right. I find slavery and those who inflict it disgusting.

              #7.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST
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              rescue dogs62

              Then I might suggest that you're free to build your own roads, produce your own power, grow and guarantee that all foods and medication you might take are not contaminated. You are free to fight your own fires, care for yourself and rebuild if your home is destroyed by a earthquake. Build your own school, and educate yourself. Of course you're free to develop your own telephone system. If your home is invaded, then police yourself, if our country is attacked defend yourself. You are a free person, so enjoy, just don't avail yourself of anything my taxes have gone for.

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              Reply#8 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:09 PM EST
              lovemyplanet-400560

              I suggest you are free to read the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. Really free…they are both searchable and available for free on the internet.

              grow and guarantee that all foods and medication you might take are not contaminated.

              Did that, which is why I neither need nor take medication. BTW, "contamination free" is not guaranteed.

              care for yourself and rebuild if your home is destroyed by a earthquake.

              Your choice to live in an earthquake prone area. You are responsible for your decisions, not me.

              Build your own school, and educate yourself.

              Went to a small private school the construction of which was paid for by the people of the community I lived in, the tuition for which I earned. And I pretty much did and continue to educate myself since the horrendous publicly funded educational system we have concentrates on those who will never pay back the investment made in them instead of concentrating on those who can and will actually move our knowledge forward and teaches them subservience to "authority" rather than independence. That system has left us with adults who have no knowledge of fact based history vs. politically slanted and biased history. Nor do they any idea how to think for themselves, support themselves or take responsibility for their own decisions.

              you're free to develop your own telephone system.

              That was developed by private industry. I pay for the service.

              If your home is invaded, then police yourself

              Well, the police certainly weren't of any help when my home was invaded 20 years ago…and I paid for that service.

              if our country is attacked defend yourself.

              That is a Constitutionally sound duty of the Federal Government.

              just don't avail yourself of anything my taxes have gone for.

              I don't avail myself of any of the "services" for which money was stolen from me. And no one but the immediate beneficiary should have to pay those "taxes", especially people who do not live in nor earn their money within this country. As you can see, I do not support slavery, I would far rather it be abolished.

                #8.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST
                sushicat

                So you want to be an American without supporting the American system? Why? You choose not to live in America.

                Could it be the taxes for Americans overseas is lower then other countries? Sounds like you want everything without having to pay for it.

                But then, this might start a trend, it might be a way lots of people in America to not pay taxes. Just renounce your citizenship.

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                #8.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:10 AM EST
                lovemyplanet-400560

                I pay for everything I have and everything I use. The American "system" vs. the corporation "United States" system did not and can not impose wage tax on the citizens because a tax on wages (trade for labor) is unlawful. You need to do your homework, your knowledge is lacking.

                My question was and still is, why would these people be required to pay income taxes to a country in which they do not reside? No one will or can answer such a simple question. There's just a lot of BS excuses and accusations masquerading as an answer. The reality is, there is no logical reason for these people to pay taxes to a country in which they do not earn a living or reside so they have renounced their citizenship. That is there prerogative, no harm done.

                  #8.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:45 PM EST
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