Air Force Removes God From Logo

Not a battle worth fighting in my opinion, but as a christian how would you feel if it had referenced another god? Especially if you were a member of the air force? Praise be to Odin? It would be tough on you I bet. Try to see things from our perspective, we are the minority in an overwhelmingly religious country, receiving death threats for simply not believing and having to fight to uphold the constitution at every turn.

how would you feel if it had referenced another god?

Very good point,..

Didn't know the USAF logo ever referenced my Lord. I know the Army doesn't. Think the change is hilarious though:

"Doing Miracles with Other People's Money."

Reminds me of the middle finger that Georgia gave its detractors when buckling to political pressure and removing a version of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy from it's old state flag - only to adopt the actual Confederate flag and just put the state seal within it.

The AF logo doesn't reference God; this is (well, was) just the motto of one relatively small acquisition office.

I've never understood the need Christians have for references to their god being plastered all over anything, including planes. In fact, I'm pretty sure Jesus said something about wearing one's religion on one's sleeve, and not in a good way.

For crying out loud...does this really hurt your personal faith in your deity? No? Then please try to accept that this is a nation of religious freedom and not everyone is monotheistic.

Praise be to Odin?
I'd be cool with that one. Of course, as an agnostic I'm something of an outlier in the AF anyway...

To a degree. But something having been in place for a long time does not mean that it has been correct for a long time. Endorsing any religion in a government agency defies the constitution.

Preferably yes, but that's not a battle worth fighting in my opinion. I don't feel that the phrase is particularly oppressive, just as I didn't feel the air force reference was overly offensive. However, if we are to adhere to the constitution it should be removed.

but I guess you would like the phrase "In God we Trust" removed off of everything?

I would like to see it removed, yes. And how exactly is "God" not religious????? The Christians in this country think "God" is their god's name! If it was supposed to be generic it would be plural, to include all gods. But no reference to gods can be non-religious.

"Faith" does not belong in the government. People are free to be as religious or non-religious as they want, but the long term survival of religious freedom DEPENDS on the separation of church and state.

...but I guess you would like the phrase "In God we Trust" removed off of everything?

Absolutely! Not only was god NOT in the original motto, it's unconstitutiopnal at its core.

I don't see God as being any particular religion

Most peoiple associate "God" with their particular religion. So yes, it has a religious cannotation.

it would be one thing if they decided to put in the word "God" it's another to be forced to take it out after so many decades ....can you appreciate the difference?

There is no difference. Just because something has been there a long time doesn't make it right.

I guess you would like the phrase "In God we Trust" removed off of everything?

Think of it this way... on arguably America's most prominent document, its money, they have added a characteristic that defines the set which consists of, and is know as, Americans, i.e. Americans trust in God. So by inference if you don't trust in God, you aren't an American (which was actually stated explicitly by Bush I). I fail to see how those that support this "motto" on our money cannot see this is offensive to some Americans. However, I strongly suspect that indeed they can see it, they just don't give a @!$%#...

Honestly, I don't really take offense to it. For me, my reaction to "God" on our money, logos and slogans is "meh, whatever". However, the problem is, far too many use these examples to insist that the United States is in fact a Christian nation and therefore our laws should support and push Christian beliefs. They used their political influence to push "God" into the Govt. then used that to further push Christian beliefs into the Govt. Don't get the wrong idea though, I don't mind those of faith, I just don't want to be forced to live by the rules they hold for themselves. It's perfectly reasonable to be expected to live by rules that can be explained through logic. Rules that can only be explained through "God(something or someone that cannot be proven to exist with the resources we have right now) said so" are not reasonable to me.

Honestly, I don't really take offense to it.

Yeah OK, I understand... pick your battles... don't rock the boat... don't blow things out of proportion... I get it. It's a good thing Rosa Parks didn't take this attitude when she was told to move to the back of the bus... just sayin'...

Big difference, the word "God" on our stuff doesn't hurt me(at least not directly, but see #5 for more on that). Being forced to obey religious laws hurt me. Being denied equal rights hurt me.

Big difference, the word "God" on our stuff doesn't hurt me(at least not directly, but see #5 for more on that).

Let me ask you this... what if the "motto" was something like "we are a nation of Caucasians?" Would that hurt anyone? FYI, demeaning someone is hurtful!

God is Judeo-Christian, not just Christian....

Your god maybe. But then, there are thousands of gods to choose from.

but would you rather have the world think of us as a godless nation, like the Soviet Union, or Red China?

We are a secular nation.

but would you rather have the world think of us as a godless nation, like the Soviet Union, or Red China?

I would prefer the world not think of us in terms of religion at all, but in terms of setting an example for how a nation can be secular AND highly successful.

How about like Scandinavia? How about being a godless nation like the nations with the highest quality of life. Trading the dogma of god for the dogma of communism is a lateral move. The dogmatic thinking continues. In that way, I would say that communism is just as much a religion as christianity. They just worship different things.

Yes, I would like to the outside world to see our nation as godless. Our PEOPLE may choose to believe or not as they wish (unlike the Soviet Union or China) but our NATION has no god and no religion. It is a secular entity.

Trading the dogma of god for the dogma of communism is a lateral move. The dogmatic thinking continues. In that way, I would say that communism is just as much a religion as christianity.

Yes, that is why totalitarian regimes often ban religion, it is competition an they want the government to totally control the people. In lieu of that some totalitarian regimes choose a single religion that THEY control and force everyone to follow it (much of the world for much of history).